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Gracchius - L' eManifesto - President Impeachment

Odoslať pre Andrejko za Po august 10, 2009 11:13 am

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Day 629 of the New World

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Gracchius
Slovakia
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President Impeachment
41 comments (All) yesterday
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What do you prefer?
A socialist president or a disappeared one?

What do you prefer?
A new slovakia, where are made the things that slovakia need ( training
war, increase of population, creation of one army, creation of welfare
sistem), or a Slovakia abandoned to its fate?

I chose!
Yes to the Impeachment!

Buongiorno eItaly!

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Defenestration yesterday
Slovakia deserves a president who cares for the country.

19
Baci yesterday
Yes, we want dissappeared president - everything is better then socialst one.

Btw, president impeachment absolutely won't help you in population increase.

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Nicholas Anatoliovich yesterday
Baci, stop bringing in your real world bias.
No one is telling you to elect Brezhnev or Stalin. Your current president is a disappointment.

Stop halting progress and start helping progress.

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Josef Abelev yesterday
Josef Abelev supports this movement. Very Happy

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Baci yesterday
Nicholas:
Socialism will always necessarily halt progress, therefore preventing
socialist from getting power is helping progress.

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LordSlowpoke yesterday
Baci, hating on everything is not helping progress, thus we kick the hater out to help progress.

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Baci yesterday
LordSlowpoke:
What I said is truth anyway. Anti-comunism (anti-murder, anti-theft)
are basic characteristics of every decent man.

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LordSlowpoke yesterday
Firstly, you spelled it wrong.
Secondly, we aren't Stalinist.
Thirdly, get out.
This is all.

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flaviocin yesterday
i
think in erep, but also in real life, is possibile to have socialism
with liberty, partecipation, progress and quality of life, and fun
(speaking of the erep game): all things we don't still really have in
erep and real-life capitalism for the majority of people.

So why not to try, in erep at least, not a stalinian socialism, clearly, and obviously, but a real one Smile

MIR

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Balckis yesterday
I
don't believe in socialism in real world so much but it is FULLY
possible in a game like erepublik, because in this game there is not a
option for the president to " take all governments money and put it in
your own pockets ".

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hor.net yesterday
2flaviocin:
true, but as we can see the SCP is doing it just like the real
communists did. They are blaming everyone(even their own party members)
and think that their ideas are the only and right ideas. Finally they
can't see they are not welcomed here.

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LordSlowpoke yesterday
@hor.net:
You'd do the same stuff if some butthurt faggots ran into your party,
asked for power, were refused, and now are crying the hell out of it
with their friend Andrejko who I warned you guys not to vote for
screaming "JEWS! JEWS! JEWS!" at us.
This is Switzerland 2.0, except back then it was the liberals assaulting conservatives.

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gutinho yesterday
Voted NO..

If say that you can do better stop complain and do something instead of just complain..

talk is easy everyone can do that.. but how about some real actions to show that you can do better than he or anyone else?

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Andrejko yesterday
Hmm,
I have a real life too,
It can happen that I cannot connect and play this game and that means not that I will not play this game.
But I am happy about each voters vote, because these shows how many people/citizens live with this game.

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Ross_ACG_Gibson yesterday
Insert gracious and pleasant comment here.

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Defenestration yesterday
So... vote for Andrejko to show you play the game? wtf?

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Marius Carnivean 22 hours ago
Hm..i
would vote no. He was elected,so let him do his job. If you socialist
are really trying to help eSlovakia, then dont halt everything that
comes from a different party. It isnt really a week that he was
elected!!!!
Thats why i think that you really are like socialist in real world -
who comes with different idea must go, only your ideas are the right
ones - such stupidity...

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gabuzomeu 22 hours ago
I
voted no. What is the power of the president in this game ? He's got
free moving tickets, he can buy hospitals and defense systeme, conclude
mpp, and he gets extra 50 xp and probably 5 gold while being elected.

But andrejko, you have to start a war somewhere for eSlovakia very soon (:.

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Andrejko 21 hours ago
gabuzomeu,

all these things cost something more then one word and comrades give a few hatred words only away.

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Baci 20 hours ago
flaviocin: 1)No, it is not possible to have socialism with liberty
2)In real-life, there was no capitalism for some 100 years, wake up. We
live in socialism now - and, as you said, we have not so much liberty,
progress and quality of life as we could have in capitalism.

LordSlowpoke: All socialists are swines, no matter of kind.

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OogieBoogie3 17 hours ago
I
we at least let him finish his term. He may not be the best President a
country could have, but he did in fact win the election; due to our
inner conflict...

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Re: Gracchius - L' eManifesto - President Impeachment

Odoslať pre Andrejko za Po august 10, 2009 11:15 am

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Nathan47 17 hours ago
All
this impeachement thing is CRAZY! Communist guys, you really don't care
about eSlovakia, because if you would, you would attend the FORUM and
see by yourself what our elected president is doing. He is active in
forum, started bank that would lend money to companies, with his own
money, offer companies around the world that would supply us by cheap
resources. So much effort and all that he gets is impeachement??? Be
honest, how many of you are active participants in eSlovakia forum? Do
you know that we all put so much time to build that forum in english,
just for YOU?!!
And do you know the name of the bank that andrejko started? The name is
Druzstevna banka - The Commune Bank....so what the hell you're doing?
Instead of helping you're really destroying you're ideas about great
functioning slovak economy...

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Josef Abelev 17 hours ago
"flaviocin: 1)No, it is not possible to have socialism with liberty"

Please answer me this, have you read Marx, Lenin, Trotsky? Socialism is
usually a direct democracy, one that eliminates the dictatorship of
"representative democracy" and replaces it with true democracy.

"2)In real-life, there was no capitalism for some 100 years, wake up.
We live in socialism now - and, as you said, we have not so much
liberty, progress and quality of life as we could have in capitalism."

Not sure what your country was like in 1909, but in the US people were
living in slums, whole families in small one room apartments, working
hours upon hours, even children worked. We are not in Socialism, in
real life Socialism is:
1. The workers own the means of production (I don't see any of that irl)
2. The Capitalists are dead or gone (Don't see that either)
3. The power goes into the hands of the proletariat rather than
bureaucrats. Defined as Marx by the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat"*.
(Wow three's a charm! That doesn't exist yet either)

"LordSlowpoke: All socialists are swines, no matter of kind."

What drugs are you doing? I always wanted to try some, want to share or would that be too Socialist?

*Dictatorship in Marx's time was a neutral term meaning absolute
control, it had nothing to do with tyrants or suffering. It doesn't
mean Dictatorship like the Dictatorship of Pinochet the US installed in
Chile, it means Dictatorship like how in an Absolute Democracy people
have absolute control.

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Andrejko 17 hours ago
Nathan47,
they are communists, they do not know what a real commune is. My
Druzstevna banka was established a long, long before I ever heard that
this game play so called communards.

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Josef Abelev 17 hours ago
"All
this impeachement thing is CRAZY! Communist guys, you really don't care
about eSlovakia, because if you would, you would attend the FORUM and
see by yourself what our elected president is doing. He is active in
forum, started bank that would lend money to companies, with his own
money, offer companies around the world that would supply us by cheap
resources. So much effort and all that he gets is impeachement???"

Aid Capitalists, that is so revolutionary. Unless something changes my mind, I refuse to aid a Fascist.

"Be honest, how many of you are active participants in eSlovakia forum?
Do you know that we all put so much time to build that forum in
english, just for YOU?!!"

Most of this game speaks English, so unless you want to scare away new
English speaking citizens it is recommended to have your stuff in
English.

"And do you know the name of the bank that andrejko started? The name
is Druzstevna banka - The Commune Bank....so what the hell you're
doing? Instead of helping you're really destroying you're ideas about
great functioning slovak economy..."

If Andrejko has an apple and calls it an orange it must be an orange since Andrejko says so?

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Josef Abelev 17 hours ago
"Nathan47,
they are communists, they do not know what a real commune is. My
Druzstevna banka was established a long, long before I ever heard that
this game play so called communards."

WE don't know real Communes? So Nationalist Parties such as the Nazi
Party formed Communes? Yet in the 1800's we had the Paris Commune until
it was overran by Capitalists or Anarchist Catalonia. Our limited real
life examples blow away your ZERO real life examples. Where do you
think the word COMMUNism comes from?

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Andrejko 17 hours ago
Jozef Abelev,
I was educated with writings of Lenin, Marx and all other mentioned jewish communards.

1. Yes the democracy was replaced with dictatorship of the proletariat verchuska - heads of proletariat.
2. In USA you live in liberalism, which again does not have commons with real democracy.
By the way - why you mention a dictatorship of proletariat if you self in No. 1 denies the dictatorship?
3. You last sentence is very, very amazing and typical for communards.
"Dictatorship in Marx's time was a neutral term meaning absolute control, it had nothing to do with tyrants or suffering. ..."

Its amazing that dictatorship of proletariat is something neutral but dictatorship of other class is the worsest thing.

Amazing. like If I have an aplle - thats good, but if you have an aplle - you are a devil.

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Andrejko 17 hours ago
Jozef Abelev,
please educate yourself like Lenin said. Study, study, study.

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Andrejko 17 hours ago
jozef Abelev,
it is not amazing that I wrote about aplle and you about apple and orange?

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Andrejko 17 hours ago
Jozef Abelev,
please are you under educated, too?
Why call you someone fascist?
Do you know something about fascism and do you have evidence that
confirms that, or you only a lair and fool which can nothing nore done?

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Nathan47 16 hours ago
Thank you members of congress that you solved our discussion about presidential election Wink
I wish good luck to our president who will have the opportunity to continue his work.

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Josef Abelev 16 hours ago
"Jozef Abelev,
I was educated with writings of Lenin, Marx and all other mentioned jewish communards.

1. Yes the democracy was replaced with dictatorship of the proletariat verchuska - heads of proletariat.
2. In USA you live in liberalism, which again does not have commons with real democracy.
By the way - why you mention a dictatorship of proletariat if you self in No. 1 denies the dictatorship?
3. You last sentence is very, very amazing and typical for communards.
"Dictatorship in Marx's time was a neutral term meaning absolute control, it had nothing to do with tyrants or suffering. ..."

Its amazing that dictatorship of proletariat is something neutral but dictatorship of other class is the worsest thing.

Amazing. like If I have an aplle - thats good, but if you have an aplle - you are a devil."

Perhaps it is the language barrier but you seem to missed anything I said.

"Jozef Abelev,
please educate yourself like Lenin said. Study, study, study."

I constantly am.

"jozef Abelev,
it is not amazing that I wrote about aplle and you about apple and orange?"

You missed the context. This person was saying how because you called
this bank a commune means that it is something us Communists would
love, but he does not back it up with telling us every little detail,
no he just slaps the word Commune in. You have an apple, but the name
you gave it tricks people into thinking it's an orange.

"Jozef Abelev,
please are you under educated, too?
Why call you someone fascist?
Do you know something about fascism and do you have evidence that
confirms that, or you only a lair and fool which can nothing nore done?"

(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism)
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as
that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the
individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government
headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social
regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Raises Slovakian nationalism, calls opposition Jews, of course you
can't exactly clamp down on the press in this game, but all the other
relevant ways you can do it, you mostly have.

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/[..]W.jpg

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Andrejko 15 hours ago
Josef Abelev,
please you proof that you only a typical communards - nothing more -and still not very educated.
You have copied all my comment, but that was all what you were able to
done - thats amazing. You cannot understand the simpliest things. I
hope that you learn, because the education disollved in reality all
jews socialist communes.

Your sentence is significant " ..You have an apple, but the name you
gave it tricks people into thinking it's an orange...". Thats are in
reality your dreams about communism.

And please, are you even able to show us if you really understand if
you make from something a copy -in this case a definition from Webster
dictionary?

Please give a proof of the last paragraph -or is that for you a insoluble request?

Oh, I give you an advice - you can say that you cannot understand (say
not that you have overestimated your education - you could be wrong and
maybe I write it in this way only not to harm you).

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gutinho 15 hours ago
Josef Abelev if you are not happy you are free to leave this terrible country whenever you want.
Nobody is holding you here.

=]

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LordSlowpoke 14 hours ago
@Baci: Aand here goes Reported for Racism.

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Re: Gracchius - L' eManifesto - President Impeachment

Odoslať pre Andrejko za Po august 10, 2009 11:16 am


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Josef Abelev 14 hours ago

"Josef Abelev,

please you proof that you only a typical communards - nothing more -and still not very educated.

You have copied all my comment, but that was all what you were able to

done - thats amazing. You cannot understand the simpliest things. I

hope that you learn, because the education disollved in reality all

jews socialist communes."



Jews Socialist Communes? I'm a bit confused here, Anarchist Catalonia

or the Paris Commune was secretly ran by Jews? Nationalists say the

darnest things don't they? In case you are wondering, in real life I

have no Jewish relations, only an aunt but it is through marriage (she

isn't even practicing). I fail to see the connection between Jews,

Socialism, and Communes, care to educate us oh so uneducated masses?



"Your sentence is significant " ..You have an apple, but the name you

gave it tricks people into thinking it's an orange...". Thats are in

reality your dreams about communism."



Ah I see what you did there. Instead of answering and fighting back,

trying to deny my statement you try to change the subject. If I want to

see people dancing around subjects I'd watch real life politics instead

of debating now.



"And please, are you even able to show us if you really understand if

you make from something a copy -in this case a definition from Webster

dictionary?"



I read that sentence over 3 times and don't get it. Though from what I

can try to imagine you are saying that I do not understand a dictionary

definition. I understand my language and philosophy and politics and

military (in my language). If you were to put it in another language

you can say I don't understand, but I am quite a good reader, I

understand many terms.



"Please give a proof of the last paragraph -or is that for you a insoluble request?"



As you wish Fuhrer:



Raises Slovakian Nationalist-Slovak National Party, you are focused

around a Capitalist construct of nations, no around philosophy or

politics such as Liberal, Communism, Conservative, etc. If a National

Party didn't want to raise Nationalism I might have a heart attack. The

BNP (British National Party) raises nationalism the Nazi Party

(National Socialist German Workers' Party), again focuses around

National. It's like saying our Party has no basis on Marx, we are

Communists, we take our words from Marx (of course there are Anarchists

in the world, but they are the exception).



You call your opposition Jews-I've read some of your writings, and

somehow you link together Bolshevik or Communist or Socialist and

Jewish. I am no fool, I have seen some "White Nationalist" writings,

they blame the Jews for everything. I don't think linking us with Jews

is you complimenting us.



Then like I said, clamping down on rights is hard due to game

mechanics, but ideologically is where most of this comes into play.

Then again you allow Capitalism in this nation so I guess that is a

game feature that you use like what Nazi Germany had.



"Oh, I give you an advice - you can say that you cannot understand (say

not that you have overestimated your education - you could be wrong and

maybe I write it in this way only not to harm you)."



Thanks?



"Josef Abelev if you are not happy you are free to leave this terrible country whenever you want.

Nobody is holding you here.



=]"



Thanks for the offer but I left my previous country because I heard

there was a Communist movement here, when in my previous there wasn't.

Lenin could of stayed in Switzerland when he was exiled but yet he

returned and liberated the people, despite having a tough time. I will

continue to fight until the proletariat abandons hope and dissolves,

but as long as the Hammer and Sickle still bashes our class enemy here,

I shall remain. Anyway, due to the communes here I have no fear for

food or wellness, I work and in return I get all that I need.

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Andrejko 13 hours ago


Josef Abelev,


you are really from that kind of communards, like Defenestration, or


Lordsnowpoke, maybe a little savvier then those. You copy all what you


can - your articles are very long - but nothing more. Crazy, but maybe


in your environment usefull.


You really set a new historical boundaries -anarchist movements and


Paris commune are equal and beside them real communist movements.





You as communards think that you are something exceptional, like jews


faith saying that jewish are the only one nation choosen from GOD. You


are the same sort of people - You are the only ones.


Is this too heavy to understand for you?


Or is that only my very, very bad english?





And do you know the difference between national socialism and socialism? Really?


THE only difference is that germans adopted the socialism to germans


and in THAT case are they criminal - because socialism is for only one


nation.


And you really do not understand that national movement has nothing to do with your socialism?


But it is only simply prohibited to rise an awareness of not choosen


nation. Or do you really think that awareness of a nation is something


wrong?


And that you are a fool alike your comrades - it is proofed by your own


words:"..You call your opposition Jews-I've read some of your writings,


and somehow you link together Bolshevik or Communist or Socialist and


Jewish..."


Or can you citate me as I do it right now?





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Baci 12 hours ago


Josef Abelev:


"Please answer me this, have you read Marx, Lenin, Trotsky? Socialism


is usually a direct democracy, one that eliminates the dictatorship of


"representative democracy" and replaces it with true democracy."





Huh? Democracy and liberty are two different things. Btw, did YOU read


Marx/Lenin/Trotsky? If yes, you evidently didn't understand it, if you


would, you wouln't be communist anymore.





"Not sure what your country was like in 1909, but in the US people were


living in slums, whole families in small one room apartments, working


hours upon hours, even children worked. We are not in Socialism, in


real life Socialism is:


1. The workers own the means of production (I don't see any of that irl)


2. The Capitalists are dead or gone (Don't see that either)


3. The power goes into the hands of the proletariat rather than


bureaucrats. Defined as Marx by the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat"*.


(Wow three's a charm! That doesn't exist yet either)"





Those things about 1909 are just popular myths. Btw, in 1909 there was


already not capitalism. Than, you are not right. Those first two points


are about communism, not socialism. Socialism is any system with public


theft - like system we have today.





"What drugs are you doing? I always wanted to try some, want to share or would that be too Socialist?"





I don't use any and I don't want to try. And it would be socialist, if I shared others people drugs with you.





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Baci 11 hours ago


LordSlowpoke: "Aand here goes Reported for Racism."





Kidding?





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Josef Abelev 8 hours ago


"Josef Abelev,


you are really from that kind of communards, like Defenestration, or


Lordsnowpoke, maybe a little savvier then those. You copy all what you


can - your articles are very long - but nothing more. Crazy, but maybe


in your environment usefull."





Copy? I write them myself.





"You as communards think that you are something exceptional, like jews


faith saying that jewish are the only one nation choosen from GOD. You


are the same sort of people - You are the only ones."





We do not think we are some higher group of people, we accept all and


want to bring upon a better society. Just because we know our society


is better does not mean we think we are high and mighty.





"And do you know the difference between national socialism and socialism? Really?"





Yes, Socialism is a left wing though, the transitional phase between


the end of the revolution and Communism. As Lenin described it, "it has


a withering state" and the workers own the means of production.








"THE only difference is that germans adopted the socialism to germans


and in THAT case are they criminal - because socialism is for only one


nation."





So wait I assume you mean one big nation as in the whole world? Alright


cool cool, we Communists want the whole world as well to be Communist.





"And you really do not understand that national movement has nothing to do with your socialism?"





Socialism and nationalism do not go together. Period.





"But it is only simply prohibited to rise an awareness of not choosen


nation. Or do you really think that awareness of a nation is something


wrong?"





What are nations if you think about it philosophically? Slovakia was


once Yugoslavia. At another time it was the Roman Empire. At another


time Austria owned it. I can make a nation right now, purely by putting


a flag down and scribbling some lines on a map. The only thing that is


true no matter what the conditions are is that we are human and we are


on Earth. Nations change with time, but humanity and the Earth have


always existed. I'm sure a Roman nationalist felt the same way you did


about his glorious empire and raising awareness.





"And that you are a fool alike your comrades - it is proofed by your


own words:"..You call your opposition Jews-I've read some of your


writings, and somehow you link together Bolshevik or Communist or


Socialist and Jewish..."


Or can you citate me as I do it right now?"





http://i82.servimg.com/u/f82/14/12/77/82[..].jpg








And I quote, (in full context) "Mr. Skin you act like a real fool.


Daniel Moreno presents his PROPOSAL and therefore he was EXECUTED -


that a communist democracy.





(Here comes the juicy part)





Into jewish-bolshevic world conspiracy trust only communist like you."





Or even earlier in the debate (in full context):


"Josef Abelev,


please you proof that you only a typical communards - nothing more -and still not very educated.


You have copied all my comment, but that was all what you were able to


done - thats amazing. You cannot understand the simpliest things. I


hope that you learn, because the education disollved in reality all


jews socialist communes."





Jews socialist communes? Oh you sir should be on Comedy Central.





I'll address Baci in my next post, this one has dragged on too long.





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Josef Abelev 7 hours ago


@Baci





"Huh? Democracy and liberty are two different things. Btw, did YOU read


Marx/Lenin/Trotsky? If yes, you evidently didn't understand it, if you


would, you wouln't be communist anymore."





Haha using that old Reagan quote, "A Communist is a person who reads


Marx and Lenin. An anti-Communist is a person who understands Marx and


Lenin." Just because a witty guy who was a President said it doesn't


mean it's true. Democracy and freedom go hand in hand; "As long as


there is the state there is no freedom. As long as there is freedom


there is no state."- Vladimir Lenin


I'll explain the quote for you. Lenin said that as long as there was a


state there was no freedom or democracy because a ruling few had power


(great example is President Bush). But if there is no ruling few, then


there can be Democracy in the purest sense and liberty/freedom.





"Those things about 1909 are just popular myths. Btw, in 1909 there was


already not capitalism. Than, you are not right. Those first two points


are about communism, not socialism. Socialism is any system with public


theft - like system we have today."





You said for some "100 years" so I took your word for it. Myths really?


Now if this was say an outsider try to act like he is looking in (like


some random professor making stuff up about the Soviet Union) or some


upset brat who was crying because he lost his power and wealth (former


Czarists/Nobles) then I may go along with you. I would throw it up and


say maybe so or maybe not, but it is very well known what the common


worker had to deal with in say 1900. All the lack of regulations,


poverty, corruption, etc. How do you think the country got in the Great


Depression and why it was so great? We are not in a depression now


because of New Deal laws that help the poor and at least some


regulations stopped some loopholes, though of course the corporate


backed government always "misses" them. Ah I'm rambling now, sorry.


Anyway, those points happen under Socialism, I am a Communist,


Socialism is the phase between the revolution and Communism, I know


what I'm talking about. It is like a construction worker telling an IT


guy what to do to fix a computer, you don't know what you're talking


about. Socialism is public theft? I fail to see what you're trying to


say though I do feel a strawman may be with that statement.





"I don't use any and I don't want to try. And it would be socialist, if I shared others people drugs with you."





I hope you have kids and teach them not to share because then they'd be


an evil Socialist who eats babies! I can just imagine Bacci Jr. sitting


at the lunch table, a kid without a lunch (forgot to pack it) comes up


to him wanting to get some surplus chips he wasn't planning on eating


since he was full and he goes, "Nope I don't want to be a dirty


Socialist like you." Please record it, I don't care if it'll be in the


future, a laugh like that is too hard to pass up.




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Re: Gracchius - L' eManifesto - President Impeachment

Odoslať pre Ruaidhri Garvey za Pi august 14, 2009 10:50 pm

To be honest I was against that even though I'm a member of the Communist Party.You can't impeach a democratically elected Presdent after just.I was away at the time so I didn't vote either way


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Yeah it was a hasty and unnecessary decision I agree.

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